Prince says it and hes a genius so it must be true
Is prince going unabomber crazy? Or is he just pissed because he feels he is losing sales because of the internet?
Prince declares ”the internet's completely over.”
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Prince says it and hes a genius so it must be true
Is prince going unabomber crazy? Or is he just pissed because he feels he is losing sales because of the internet?
He might be a musical genius. But dude is a touch out there...
Dude has hundreds, if not thousands of songs locked up in a vault somewhere and when he dies, you can bet they will be exploited by who has control. And I'm guessing that's gonna be the Jehovah church he belongs too.
Dude has hundreds, if not thousands of songs locked up in a vault somewhere and when he dies, you can bet they will be exploited by who has control. And I'm guessing that's gonna be the Jehovah church he belongs too.
He's angry cuz of losing sales on the internet. There is a huge segment of the population who feels they shouldn't have to pay for someone's music. It's no accident the music industry is in a tailspin. Part of it is their own greed and stupidity, the other part is this attitude of music should be free.
The_Non said:He's angry cuz of losing sales on the internet. There is a huge segment of the population who feels they shouldn't have to pay for someone's music. It's no accident the music industry is in a tailspin. Part of it is their own greed and stupidity, the other part is this attitude of music should be free.
You are probably right. But I really hope he goes full on anti-technology. Only uses acoustic instruments. All his concerts lit only by candlelight. His new songs only released as sheet music and player piano reels.....
You are probably right. But I really hope he goes full on anti-technology. Only uses acoustic instruments. All his concerts lit only by candlelight. His new songs only released as sheet music and player piano reels.....
If you want a product to be free (that was previously not free) the quality will suffer. I research archival documents all the time. The quality of an "average" newspaper article about whatever then vs. now, there is no competition. The paper was better then, particularly in the newspaper's heyday from 1950-1990, before USA Today than now by leaps and bounds. When you value getting a product out fastest vs putting out a quality product, the product suffers. When you don't have editors and proofreaders, the product suffers. When there's pressure to get the product out NOW instead of giving it thought, the product suffers.
Take the same approach to music.
It is no longer "if you're really good or really lucky you'll make it." It's primarily a huge push to squeeze every last drop out of a commercial hit. If you think that commercial music output hasn't suffered because of the demand for music by consumers to be free, I feel that that's a delusional opinion. I'm not shaking my fist saying all music now sucks, but music production quality, album quality, and single quality have all suffered.
Take the same approach to music.
It is no longer "if you're really good or really lucky you'll make it." It's primarily a huge push to squeeze every last drop out of a commercial hit. If you think that commercial music output hasn't suffered because of the demand for music by consumers to be free, I feel that that's a delusional opinion. I'm not shaking my fist saying all music now sucks, but music production quality, album quality, and single quality have all suffered.
The quality of a lot of clothing has gone way, way down, too (i.e. due to the lower quality of production in China, or wherever else they're churning things out). You can still get really high quality stuff, but it often costs more than many people want to pay for it.
Back on topic: Prince is nuts, movie at 6.
Back on topic: Prince is nuts, movie at 6.
DOR said:I don't believe that at all... That makes very little sense.
Sure it does. In industries mentioned here from music to clothing to journalism, money has shifted from the production end to the distribution and retail ends. Fact.
So what you have is a lot of companies investing in vehicles to *deliver* product, to market product, to sell it... and almost no money into actually making, you know, quality product. News agencies are not investing in journalists because the story is no longer important. In the era of the 24/7 squawk box all you really need is a pretty face and a sufficient degree of gravitas to sound dead serious in the midst of tragic or shocking events. The music industry isn't investing in the development of artists, in the talent on the sidelines that made these amazing records of the past, because there is no money in the raw artistry. Artistry is hard to quantify and put a price on, and big big media companies are not going to sink much time or money into trying to find the next person to put lightning in a bottle.
Boutique companies are making high quality product in all of these areas. But the math just doesn't add up for these megaliths. Unfortunately it's going to take a long time to re-balance the scales in all of these industries, and there's active opposition to such a thing.
O/T but anyways...
Sure it does. In industries mentioned here from music to clothing to journalism, money has shifted from the production end to the distribution and retail ends. Fact.
So what you have is a lot of companies investing in vehicles to *deliver* product, to market product, to sell it... and almost no money into actually making, you know, quality product. News agencies are not investing in journalists because the story is no longer important. In the era of the 24/7 squawk box all you really need is a pretty face and a sufficient degree of gravitas to sound dead serious in the midst of tragic or shocking events. The music industry isn't investing in the development of artists, in the talent on the sidelines that made these amazing records of the past, because there is no money in the raw artistry. Artistry is hard to quantify and put a price on, and big big media companies are not going to sink much time or money into trying to find the next person to put lightning in a bottle.
Boutique companies are making high quality product in all of these areas. But the math just doesn't add up for these megaliths. Unfortunately it's going to take a long time to re-balance the scales in all of these industries, and there's active opposition to such a thing.
O/T but anyways...
Snapping said:The_Non said:He's angry cuz of losing sales on the internet. There is a huge segment of the population who feels they shouldn't have to pay for someone's music. It's no accident the music industry is in a tailspin. Part of it is their own greed and stupidity, the other part is this attitude of music should be free.
You are probably right. But I really hope he goes full on anti-technology. Only uses acoustic instruments. All his concerts lit only by candlelight. His new songs only released as sheet music and player piano reels.....
Hold up - Prince objects (perfectly legitimately, imho) to one specific aspect of modern technology that has a direct impact upon the way he makes his living, and this makes him a luddite? I suspect you're being flippant here, but still...
What The Non says is exactly right - the debate in a nutshell, in fact - but the thing I find objectionable is that whenever a performer of Prince's status makes a point like this is, "hasn't he got enough money already?" Suddenly, the general principle of a musician being able to gain some kind of remuneration from his or her craft no longer matters when you've accumulated enough cash and that, once you reach a certain point you're expected work for nothing, regardless of whether or not there's a network of other individuals or ancillary services relying upon you for a living.
Oh, and anyone saying Prince is over ought to go see him.
You are probably right. But I really hope he goes full on anti-technology. Only uses acoustic instruments. All his concerts lit only by candlelight. His new songs only released as sheet music and player piano reels.....
Hold up - Prince objects (perfectly legitimately, imho) to one specific aspect of modern technology that has a direct impact upon the way he makes his living, and this makes him a luddite? I suspect you're being flippant here, but still...
What The Non says is exactly right - the debate in a nutshell, in fact - but the thing I find objectionable is that whenever a performer of Prince's status makes a point like this is, "hasn't he got enough money already?" Suddenly, the general principle of a musician being able to gain some kind of remuneration from his or her craft no longer matters when you've accumulated enough cash and that, once you reach a certain point you're expected work for nothing, regardless of whether or not there's a network of other individuals or ancillary services relying upon you for a living.
Oh, and anyone saying Prince is over ought to go see him.
Horseleech said:"The internet declares Prince is completely over."
LOL.. I was going to say this also but when dude does a tour he sales out arenas like crazy. His catalog of music is long with all his new stuff not getting much exposure or radioplay.
LOL.. I was going to say this also but when dude does a tour he sales out arenas like crazy. His catalog of music is long with all his new stuff not getting much exposure or radioplay.
The comments on that Prince story make me despair - idiots declaring they intend to torrent the album "on principle" in the hope Prince "learns from the mistake", along with gems like this;
Yeah, why can't these musicians who've worked their entire lives within a music industry that's very often bled them dry just shut the fuck up and let the public bleed them dry instead?
I truly, truly despise these fuckers. Their massive sense of entitlement alone ought to warrant a custodial sentence. This is Revenge Of The Nerds writ large, right here.
Yeah, why can't these musicians who've worked their entire lives within a music industry that's very often bled them dry just shut the fuck up and let the public bleed them dry instead?
I truly, truly despise these fuckers. Their massive sense of entitlement alone ought to warrant a custodial sentence. This is Revenge Of The Nerds writ large, right here.
DocMcCoy said:Hold up - Prince objects (perfectly legitimately, imho) to one specific aspect of modern technology that has a direct impact upon the way he makes his living, and this makes him a luddite? I suspect you're being flippant here, but still...
I think that technically would make him a Luddite, since they were generally only opposed to technology when it harmed the livelihood of people/workers.
Agreed. He is still really, really great.
I think that technically would make him a Luddite, since they were generally only opposed to technology when it harmed the livelihood of people/workers.
Agreed. He is still really, really great.
Jonny,
Does how much money you put into music or make from music tells you the quality of the music? How many quality songs were made over the last 500 years where money was the deciding factor of if the music was good or not?
My problem is people stating that artist will no longer feel the need to create if there is no money in making music. And I think that's bullshit... I'm sure a portion of people will not bother, but this idea that artist will stop making quality music is ludicrous. People with talent will create regardless of money. Even more so, since the tools to produce music has come down to extremely low levels...
There are plenty of reasons why music has lost value to consumers. Free IMO doesn't have most to do with it. You were always able to get free music off the radio. If you were a DJ, a good portion were always able to get free music from servicing (You didn't even need to be a big name DJ to get it). The list could go on...
I have no problem to say that sure, downloading is part of the issue. But there are other factors. The idea that more music was probably released in the last year than probably all of the 60's combined. The fact that consumers have so many things to spend their discretionary income on... The fact that labels still to this day don't do much to change their business models. I mean, I can still go into an HMV and find CD's selling for $25 bucks... Or that on itunes, plenty of times the non-tangible album sells for just as much as buying the CD. Which makes very little to no sense to me.
I was just reading the other day. Remember that youtube video about the kid who went to the dentist and was all messed up? Well, the father told people how he made over $100,000 from that single video alone off youtube (With 3 million views) alone off that video and more off other ways...
The point is this... Times are a changing. Business models should be as well. Get whatever it is you're making seen (or heard) by as many people in the world as possible. The money will follow...
Who also should be worried in all of this, is the consumer. Since you will begin to see the attempts to many consumer rights disappear when it comes to buying music in the near future.
Does how much money you put into music or make from music tells you the quality of the music? How many quality songs were made over the last 500 years where money was the deciding factor of if the music was good or not?
My problem is people stating that artist will no longer feel the need to create if there is no money in making music. And I think that's bullshit... I'm sure a portion of people will not bother, but this idea that artist will stop making quality music is ludicrous. People with talent will create regardless of money. Even more so, since the tools to produce music has come down to extremely low levels...
There are plenty of reasons why music has lost value to consumers. Free IMO doesn't have most to do with it. You were always able to get free music off the radio. If you were a DJ, a good portion were always able to get free music from servicing (You didn't even need to be a big name DJ to get it). The list could go on...
I have no problem to say that sure, downloading is part of the issue. But there are other factors. The idea that more music was probably released in the last year than probably all of the 60's combined. The fact that consumers have so many things to spend their discretionary income on... The fact that labels still to this day don't do much to change their business models. I mean, I can still go into an HMV and find CD's selling for $25 bucks... Or that on itunes, plenty of times the non-tangible album sells for just as much as buying the CD. Which makes very little to no sense to me.
I was just reading the other day. Remember that youtube video about the kid who went to the dentist and was all messed up? Well, the father told people how he made over $100,000 from that single video alone off youtube (With 3 million views) alone off that video and more off other ways...
The point is this... Times are a changing. Business models should be as well. Get whatever it is you're making seen (or heard) by as many people in the world as possible. The money will follow...
Who also should be worried in all of this, is the consumer. Since you will begin to see the attempts to many consumer rights disappear when it comes to buying music in the near future.
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