RECORD TALK!!!-Jazzy Psych Related LP's

And there are some bands/songs that are garage and psych simultaneously (Thirteenth Floor Elevators, Electric Prunes).
I wouldn't necessarily call the Prunes a garage band, would you?
Just did. Their big hit, "I Had Too Much To Dream Last Night," is definitely in the garage vein.

Now as far as the stuff they did later with David Axelrod (and after), that's another story!

And just so it doesn't look like I'm hijacking this thread - any opinions on that jazz-psych Jeremy & the Satyrs album on Reprise?
I only have one of their 45s, but I would say it's pretty pedestrian rock stuff. Nothing jazzy or psyche about it. Nothing to indicate where Steig was headed...
 
The Albert on Perception (the one w/ the Charizma and PBW sample) and Wool on ABC are kinda nice in this style of music.
 
And there are some bands/songs that are garage and psych simultaneously (Thirteenth Floor Elevators, Electric Prunes).
I wouldn't necessarily call the Prunes a garage band, would you?
what about the california raisins?
All SOUL, bro. All SOUL.
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WINNER.


but would you say Garage soul, Blue Eyed Soul, Wrinkled popsike soul, psychadelic fruit mix pedestrian rock-soul. qualify yer genre.
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You didn't like Mr. Joy? That's that shit. I thought it was funny, Air's got a track called "Mr. Man", Affinity gots a track called "Mr. Joy".
...and Edition Special has "Mr. Business".
 
What is the difference between Garage & Psych?
Psych = drug addicts playing music for drug addicts (recorded in a studio)
Garage = drug addicts recorded while praticing in their garage


I disagree. You do not need drugs, a garage, or a studio to make either of these genres.

Garage came first. Appeared in the early 60s, and peaked at '66. Psych was a little bit later although the two overlapped at one point.

Garage rock, was from guys who were just playing simple rock'n roll. cue: 'louie louie'. The Fender guitar was beggining to make its way into homes, and a million local bands started up accross the US (and yes mostly practiced in their garage hence the name). Since these guys were younger, their sound was a bit more aggressive, this is when distortion (ie fuzz) started to come in. Some may have been into drugs, but most were good teenagers who made it home before curfew.
It was these guys and their peers who later made the move to psych/drug music. The hippie stoner sceen was peaking around '68-'69 and that is when the best psych music came out. However, it should also be known that not all psych bands were on drugs.




 
And just so it doesn't look like I'm hijacking this thread - any opinions on that jazz-psych Jeremy & the Satyrs album on Reprise?
I only have one of their 45s, but I would say it's pretty pedestrian rock stuff. Nothing jazzy or psyche about it. Nothing to indicate where Steig was headed...

yeah, I had the lp - not that good. Really kinda blah blues-rock stuff.
 
knewjack pretty much nailed it

the term 'psych' is abused and misused constantly, and i'm including this site

its one of those things thats just hard to explain, but i know true psych when i hear it

there have always been psych and garage bands since the 60s, and while garage bands hit the top 10 every once in a while, psych bands haven't since the early 70s. few bands from the past 30 years that have been labeled psych live up to the title however...
 
oh and horns would almost never be involved when discussing real psych bands... thats just a no-no (these bands would be labeled 'commercial' by collectors), though as has been said, instrumentation isn't defined or anything...

and i like the jeremy & the satyrs record, but i'm just a fan of heavy bluesy rock of the period...
 
rastus?











actually the manfredmannchapter3 shit that im listening to right nfuckin now would prolly fit the beeel.











i love cauldron though. and id love to heard anything that sounds like theit version of god bless the child
 
the term 'psych' is abused and misused constantly, and i'm including this site




like this soul collector i know who uses the term "garage" to describe any white music made between '64 and '74. we were discussing sussex records when all of a sudden he mentions the garagier stuff they put out...im sorry, none of the white rock stuff on that label could be defined as garage. specially for a company that existed between '70-'75, when that music was over and done with,





there have always been psych and garage bands since the 60s, and while garage bands hit the top 10 every once in a while, psych bands haven't since the early 70s.




WHAT garage bands? this genre wasnt exactly continuous. during the 70's, there were hardly any garage bands around (and what few there were, like the droogs, werent exactly in high radio rotation). and even though there were full-blown revivals of this music in the 80's and 90's, i dont recall the chesterfield kings or the woggles making the top ten.





might be different now, with the white stripes and all, but there were definitely no garage rock chartmakers in the 70s, 80s and 90s.
 
damn why does every thread involving psych turn into a psych vs. garage debate

ITS REAL SIMPLE

PSYCH = FEMALE VOX MODULATION, BOWED GUITARS, QUESTIONABLE MUSICIANSHIP
GARAGE = SUNGLASSES, LICKS, A GARAGE
 
damn why does every thread involving psych turn into a psych vs. garage debate
cause a lot of folks dont know the difference
Then there are the rest of us who don't particularly care about the differences. I honestly wish there could be a psyche thread that doesn't get bogged down in nerdy arguments over what exactly is or isn't psyche.
 
The Albert on Perception (the one w/ the Charizma and PBW sample) and Wool on ABC are kinda nice in this style of music.
yes indeed. i like both of those albert records a lot.
womb is dope too
 
What is the difference between Garage & Psych?
Psych = drug addicts playing music for drug addicts (recorded in a studio)
Garage = drug addicts recorded while praticing in their garage


I disagree. You do not need drugs, a garage, or a studio to make either of these genres.

Garage came first. Appeared in the early 60s, and peaked at '66. Psych was a little bit later although the two overlapped at one point.

Garage rock, was from guys who were just playing simple rock'n roll. cue: 'louie louie'. The Fender guitar was beggining to make its way into homes, and a million local bands started up accross the US (and yes mostly practiced in their garage hence the name). Since these guys were younger, their sound was a bit more aggressive, this is when distortion (ie fuzz) started to come in. Some may have been into drugs, but most were good teenagers who made it home before curfew.
It was these guys and their peers who later made the move to psych/drug music. The hippie stoner sceen was peaking around '68-'69 and that is when the best psych music came out. However, it should also be known that not all psych bands were on drugs.





Garage as a genre is really the style that certain bands in the late 70s thru mid 80s who were trying to get back to simple blues-based Rock and Roll ala the Count Five, the Seeds,Shadows of Knight, the Yardbirds, the Stones,etc. These 60s bands could be said to be 'garage bands', I guess, but they were really just white R&B combos who favored fuzz and feedback. As a response to punk and new wave, a whole bunch of bands attempted to recreate the fun and excitement(and often lamentably, the fashions) of 60s rock and roll, combining it with the energy and aggression of 70s Punk. The best of these garage bands (Fleshtones, DMZ/Lyres, the Real Kids, the Hypstrz, The Crawdaddys, the Chesterfield Kings, The Funseekers,many more-at least one good one from every region of the US and also plenty abroad) took their worship of all things 60s and applied it with depth and skill and actually had something to offer that could sit on the shelf next to their heroes. But when it was(and is) bad, Garage is the lamest excuse for narrow-minded trend-following, empty(often ugly)style-over-substance-no-talent-hacks to hang their 'musical' hat on and ply it under a marketable gimmick. The fans of this genre are by turns the most loyal, true-blue, exciting and knowledgeable folks you can ever meet, or astonishingly socially awkward and limited in just about all aspects. It can be a very frustrating genre to be creative in, because the things that make it the most exciting are also what squeezes and limits you in it's pursuit.

This explanation is by no means definitive, but coming from my personal experience in these types of bands in the late 80s early 90s. I guess I don't believe there is such a thing as 'definitive' when discussing genre.
 
damn why does every thread involving psych turn into a psych vs. garage debate
I am probably guilt of this debate. I appreciate some of the knowledge and clarification dropped by knewjack and digdug.

oh and horns would almost never be involved when discussing real psych bands... thats just a no-no (these bands would be labeled 'commercial' by collectors), though as has been said, instrumentation isn't defined or anything...
haha. you can probably add fender rhodes to the equation too. Organ, farfisa, etc. that seems to be a definite in terms of keys in psych groups, but it seems that electric piano tends to be a no-no as well in the purist sensibility.
 
What is the difference between Garage & Psych?
Psych = drug addicts playing music for drug addicts (recorded in a studio)
Garage = drug addicts recorded while praticing in their garage


I disagree. You do not need drugs, a garage, or a studio to make either of these genres.

Garage came first. Appeared in the early 60s, and peaked at '66. Psych was a little bit later although the two overlapped at one point.

Garage rock, was from guys who were just playing simple rock'n roll. cue: 'louie louie'. The Fender guitar was beggining to make its way into homes, and a million local bands started up accross the US (and yes mostly practiced in their garage hence the name). Since these guys were younger, their sound was a bit more aggressive, this is when distortion (ie fuzz) started to come in. Some may have been into drugs, but most were good teenagers who made it home before curfew.
It was these guys and their peers who later made the move to psych/drug music. The hippie stoner sceen was peaking around '68-'69 and that is when the best psych music came out. However, it should also be known that not all psych bands were on drugs.





Garage as a genre is really the style that certain bands in the late 70s thru mid 80s who were trying to get back to simple blues-based Rock and Roll ala the Count Five, the Seeds,Shadows of Knight, the Yardbirds, the Stones,etc. These 60s bands could be said to be 'garage bands', I guess, but they were really just white R&B combos who favored fuzz and feedback. As a response to punk and new wave, a whole bunch of bands attempted to recreate the fun and excitement(and often lamentably, the fashions) of 60s rock and roll, combining it with the energy and aggression of 70s Punk. The best of these garage bands (Fleshtones, DMZ/Lyres, the Real Kids, the Hypstrz, The Crawdaddys, the Chesterfield Kings, The Funseekers,many more-at least one good one from every region of the US and also plenty abroad) took their worship of all things 60s and applied it with depth and skill and actually had something to offer that could sit on the shelf next to their heroes. But when it was(and is) bad, Garage is the lamest excuse for narrow-minded trend-following, empty(often ugly)style-over-substance-no-talent-hacks to hang their 'musical' hat on and ply it under a marketable gimmick. The fans of this genre are by turns the most loyal, true-blue, exciting and knowledgeable folks you can ever meet, or astonishingly socially awkward and limited in just about all aspects. It can be a very frustrating genre to be creative in, because the things that make it the most exciting are also what squeezes and limits you in it's pursuit.

This explanation is by no means definitive, but coming from my personal experience in these types of bands in the late 80s early 90s. I guess I don't believe there is such a thing as 'definitive' when discussing genre.

Well said (from someone who knows...)