”T Plays it Cool” Question

[fishmongerfunk]

that's a drum loop right?

www.youtube.com/embed/wof5qoR147A

so hate get all timmydigalot on the strut but is this the first instance of a "funky" drum loop on a record? what other early examples can be pointed to?

 

[batmon]

I think there was a thread on this a while ago, and I recall "loop" was determined.

 

[Controller_7]

Tape loop








Or








The most precise drummer ever.

 

[vintageinfants]

Controller_7 said:Tape loop








Or








The most precise drummer ever.




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btw. this robot sounds white.

 

[JectWon]

I assume there is more being looped than just the drums. Seems like some of the synths were looped and layered a bit, as well. Assuming the linear notes are accurate and that Marvin did indeed play all synths and keyboards on the track, then I'm almost willing to say they had to loop and or layer alternate takes into the final product.





B/W





Wow...didn't know until just now that Marvin played a fuck load of the instruments on Trouble man...including the drums.

 

[LaserWolf]

Marvin was a session drummer for Motown.

 

[jjfad027]

LaserWolf said:Marvin was a session drummer for Motown.




I think his drumming experience is likely one of the reasons his lyrical cadence is so good.

 

[utters]

Interesting topic, especially given that this is one of favourite drum tracks ever, sound-wise, and the feel. So funky

 

[Otis_Funkmeyer]

http://www.npr.org/2012/11/19/165482376/40-years-since-marvin-gayes-forgotten-classic





TREVOR LAWRENCE: "Yeah that's - Yes. And if you listen to it closely now, what you'll notice is that it's a loop. The drum - the drum is a drum loop. Now back in '72 there were no samplers. What they did was they took a piece of tape and they had the two track tape machine, and they made that pattern that made a loop like a figure eight around the tip - rim, which I'd never seen before."

 

[okiba75]

Well that's something I learned today!

 

[fishmongerfunk]

so, what are other early tracks that use a tape loop for the drums?

 

[Snapping]

crabmongerfunk said:so, what are other early tracks that use a tape loop for the drums?







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[WOLF_ROCK]

crabmongerfunk said:so, what are other early tracks that use a tape loop for the drums?

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[crazycrate]

i doubt that on super freak it??s a loop.... how would they edit the bridge and the break?


or is this a known fact and i??m trippin???

 

[JectWon]

crabmongerfunk said:so, what are other early tracks that use a tape loop for the drums?




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In 1979, Roger Taylor added a drum loop on Queen's "Another One Bites the Dust", on John Deacon's insistence, but "under protest", because he did not like the drums to be produced in that way.

 

[LaserWolf]

JectWon said:

In 1979, Roger Taylor added a drum loop on Queen's "Another One Bites the Dust", on John Deacon's insistence, but "under protest", because he did not like the drums to be produced in that way.

This quote suggests it was a well know, and perhaps not uncommon, production technique by '79.





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That Beatles one is great.

 

[Duderonomy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQDY3HFkh_Y

 

[Jimster]

Zappa used looping in the 60s for sure. Can't remember which one. I am a fan of a lot of Zappa but the early experimental stuff is, alas, not my scene, man. "Freak Out!" probably. Frank was really into the whole idea of mashing stems of his own different recordings together - pre-digital. He had his own mobile recording truck for his gigs and took it seriously - He called the concept "Xenochrony".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenochrony

"A classic "Xenochrony" piece would be "Rubber Shirt", which is a song on the Sheik Yerbouti album. It takes a drum set part that was added to a song at one tempo. The drummer was instructed to play along with this one particular thing in a certain time signature, eleven-four, and that drum set part was extracted like a little piece of DNA from that master tape and put over here into this little cubicle. And then the bass part, which was designed to play along with another song at another speed, another rate in another time signature, four-four, that was removed from that master tape and put over here, and then the two were sandwiched together. And so the musical result is the result of two musicians, who were never in the same room at the same time, playing at two different rates in two different moods for two different purposes, when blended together, yielding a third result which is musical and synchronizes in a strange way. That's Xenochrony. And I've done that on a number of tracks."

Doing all this with tape and razors is

 

[Yemsky]

https://youtu.be/Qf1IaiWXG1Q?si=tPYhZkJMgTKeLGoX